La "prova coraggiosa" l' ho fatta io: ho infilato 2 AW 16340 ( completamente cariche ) nella mia SF E2D Led Defender 200 lumen.
Si accende regolarmente, nessuna anomalia, non mi sembra di riscontrare particolari incrementi di potenza.
Bisogna vedere se dopo un pò di minuti non scalda eccessivamente e se a lungo andare non si danneggia nulla.
Per la BackUp da 110 lumen, confermo il lampeggio. Non si possono usare le ricaricabili.
Per la KL1 veniva montato su torce sia 1 x CR123 che 2 x CR123, quindi si alimenta ok con una ricaricabile.
Confermo, provato personalmente, che sia il modulo led da 80 lumen, che quello da 120 ( testa completa KX4 ) lavorano con 2 batterie 16340
Surefire e ricaricabili
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alfapad
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Re: Surefire e ricaricabili
Il modulo P60L è fatto per lavorare anche con 3 primarie, quindi due ricaricabili le sopporta senza problemi 
Surefire: Varie C2 con vari pezzi - 6PDL - U2A - E2D EagleTac: P20C2 MkII - M3C4 Xm-l - D25A clicky Ti Xeno: E03 neutral Nitecore: D10 SP camo - D11.2 - Extreme SolarForce: MPP1 Inforce mil: Color Petzl: Nao Sunwayman: V10R
In arrivo: Drop ins vari
Nel mirino: Drop ins vari
In arrivo: Drop ins vari
Nel mirino: Drop ins vari
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Erlige
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Re: Surefire e ricaricabili
Se può essere utile: io ho acquistato una AW 17670 con la quale, ho potuto poi verificare, funzionano perfettamente sia la U2 che la Kroma.
La batterie si riesce ad inserire sia lato tailcap (dove incontra una resistenza assolutamente trascurabile), sia lato testa (in questo caso entra perfettamente).
La batterie si riesce ad inserire sia lato tailcap (dove incontra una resistenza assolutamente trascurabile), sia lato testa (in questo caso entra perfettamente).
Cos'è il Jazz? Amico, se lo devi chiedere, non lo saprai mai.
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alessior100
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Re: Surefire e ricaricabili
Sto usando la Surefire 6PX Pro senza problemi con una AW 17670 e funziona benissimo senza nessuna perdita di luminosità!
Ecco a voi la mia collezione: COLLECTION FLASHLIGHTS
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Erlige
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Re: Surefire e ricaricabili
Ho trovato questo su CPF: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/sho ... lashlights! , estraggo la parte relativa alle SF:
SureFire:
*Surefire does not specify compatibility with rechargeable cells on any of their non-rechargeable lights, using rechargeable configurations in SF lights should be considered "at your own risk." Damage caused by using cells not specified for use by SureFire could void warranty and can cause damage in some lights if the wrong rechargeable solution is chosen.
E1B, E1L, L1 etc (this should apply to both older luxeon and modern cree/seoul 1xCR123 powered SureFire lights)
Battery Size: 1xCR123
Regulation Type: boost
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 0.9-3.2V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 3.0V "regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123
2. 3.7V LiCoO2 RCR123. -will direct drive LED and run brighter than stock, may result in damage to emitter or other components. At mercy of LED Vf, also may loose certain operating modes (where applicable)
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
G2LED, 6PLED, Z2LED, C2LED, G2ZLED, Or any 2xCR123 size unit utilizing a P60L
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4-9V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2 3.7V protected LiCoO2 RCR123
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123 (least runtime)
2. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123 (less runtime)
3. 1x 3.7V 17670 size LiCoO2 (drops out of regulation during the run, extended runtime though)
*This flashlight can over-discharge unprotected li-ion cells when used in a 2x3.7V configuration, including "IMR" cells. Use only protected cells!
G3LED, or any 3xCR123 size "C" compatible SureFire unit utilizing a P60L (examples: 9P, C3)
Battery Size: 3xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4-9V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.7V protected 17500 LiCoO2 cells.
Rechargeable alternatives: none worth mentioning.
*This flashlight can over-discharge unprotected li-ion cells, including "IMR" cells. Use only protected cells!
L2, L4, L5, E2L, E2D LED, (modern cree/seoul versions)
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 3.8-6V (possibly up to 9V)
Recommended Rechargeable option: haven't decided what to recommend yet.
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 1x 3.7V protected 17670 will fit some bodies and run with diminishing output through the run, plenty of runtime.
2. 1x 3.7V protected 14670 will fit in any of them and run with diminishing output through the run, good runtime.
3. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123s
4. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" 3.0V protected LiCoO2 RCR123s
5. I'm still trying to search out the truth on the 9V maximum input voltage here, some people seem to be running some of these on a pair of 3.7V RCR123s, which for a buck-regulated light would be the best option to maintain steady output while having respectable runtime.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123/17670s will fit well. No guarantees. 14670s are the alternative to boring in this case.
A2 Aviator
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck on incan, "resistored" direct drive on LEDs.
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4.5-6V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123. (may slightly overdrive LEDs but should work fine on the incan side, expect much reduced runtime compared to primaries.
Rechargeable alternatives: none worth mentioning.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
Kroma
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck/DD?
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 5-6V (estimated, unconfirmed)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123 (reduced runtime), may slightly overdrive the 5mm LEDs
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123s. should also work
2. read reports of people using 2x3.7V RCR123 but with potential overheating and other damage.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
LuxV based 2xCR123 SureFire's (current U2 and L2, older lights utilizing the KL4 and KL5 heads)
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: boost (uses a LuxV emitter, which has Vf ranges ~6-7V usually)
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 3.5-6V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 1x protected 3.7V 17670 LiCoO2
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 1x protected 3.7V 3.7V 18650 LiCoO2 (fits in OLDER U2s, and some with plastic sleeve that can be removed, recent U2s (last few years) have been machined from factory with tighter tolerance to CR123 size, 17670 is the only option there.
2. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123s might work in this application, but I wouldn't recommend it.
*Some SF bodies in the older L series were so tight in the battery tube than a 14670 had to be used.
SureFire:
*Surefire does not specify compatibility with rechargeable cells on any of their non-rechargeable lights, using rechargeable configurations in SF lights should be considered "at your own risk." Damage caused by using cells not specified for use by SureFire could void warranty and can cause damage in some lights if the wrong rechargeable solution is chosen.
E1B, E1L, L1 etc (this should apply to both older luxeon and modern cree/seoul 1xCR123 powered SureFire lights)
Battery Size: 1xCR123
Regulation Type: boost
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 0.9-3.2V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 3.0V "regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123
2. 3.7V LiCoO2 RCR123. -will direct drive LED and run brighter than stock, may result in damage to emitter or other components. At mercy of LED Vf, also may loose certain operating modes (where applicable)
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
G2LED, 6PLED, Z2LED, C2LED, G2ZLED, Or any 2xCR123 size unit utilizing a P60L
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4-9V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2 3.7V protected LiCoO2 RCR123
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123 (least runtime)
2. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123 (less runtime)
3. 1x 3.7V 17670 size LiCoO2 (drops out of regulation during the run, extended runtime though)
*This flashlight can over-discharge unprotected li-ion cells when used in a 2x3.7V configuration, including "IMR" cells. Use only protected cells!
G3LED, or any 3xCR123 size "C" compatible SureFire unit utilizing a P60L (examples: 9P, C3)
Battery Size: 3xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4-9V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.7V protected 17500 LiCoO2 cells.
Rechargeable alternatives: none worth mentioning.
*This flashlight can over-discharge unprotected li-ion cells, including "IMR" cells. Use only protected cells!
L2, L4, L5, E2L, E2D LED, (modern cree/seoul versions)
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 3.8-6V (possibly up to 9V)
Recommended Rechargeable option: haven't decided what to recommend yet.
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 1x 3.7V protected 17670 will fit some bodies and run with diminishing output through the run, plenty of runtime.
2. 1x 3.7V protected 14670 will fit in any of them and run with diminishing output through the run, good runtime.
3. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123s
4. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" 3.0V protected LiCoO2 RCR123s
5. I'm still trying to search out the truth on the 9V maximum input voltage here, some people seem to be running some of these on a pair of 3.7V RCR123s, which for a buck-regulated light would be the best option to maintain steady output while having respectable runtime.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123/17670s will fit well. No guarantees. 14670s are the alternative to boring in this case.
A2 Aviator
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck on incan, "resistored" direct drive on LEDs.
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 4.5-6V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123. (may slightly overdrive LEDs but should work fine on the incan side, expect much reduced runtime compared to primaries.
Rechargeable alternatives: none worth mentioning.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
Kroma
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: buck/DD?
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 5-6V (estimated, unconfirmed)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123 (reduced runtime), may slightly overdrive the 5mm LEDs
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 2x 3.0V "voltage regulated" LiCoO2 RCR123s. should also work
2. read reports of people using 2x3.7V RCR123 but with potential overheating and other damage.
*SF battery tubes have pretty tight tolerance, not all RCR123s will fit well. No guarantees.
LuxV based 2xCR123 SureFire's (current U2 and L2, older lights utilizing the KL4 and KL5 heads)
Battery Size: 2xCR123
Regulation Type: boost (uses a LuxV emitter, which has Vf ranges ~6-7V usually)
Recommended Input Voltage Range: 3.5-6V (estimated)
Recommended Rechargeable option: 1x protected 3.7V 17670 LiCoO2
Rechargeable alternatives:
1. 1x protected 3.7V 3.7V 18650 LiCoO2 (fits in OLDER U2s, and some with plastic sleeve that can be removed, recent U2s (last few years) have been machined from factory with tighter tolerance to CR123 size, 17670 is the only option there.
2. 2x 3.0V LiFeP04 RCR123s might work in this application, but I wouldn't recommend it.
*Some SF bodies in the older L series were so tight in the battery tube than a 14670 had to be used.
Cos'è il Jazz? Amico, se lo devi chiedere, non lo saprai mai.
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oscarrafone
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Re: Surefire e ricaricabili
Grazie per il link, veramente molto interessante 